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drs. doctors so they have to find the balance of where to find the joy. there's a check and balance the the money flows with prarpths. that's something i'm dreaming up and i think we can weave that into some of those conversations >> if i could just comment. up until now we've spent a lot of time with the underwriters and we've now about to start the discussion with the practitioners. so it's timely thank you >> great. >> any other comments? any public comment outreaching i don't think we're on public comment. director or you finished
>> you know there's a lot of details about what we talk about i wasn't going to necessarily going to go into every meeting but i'm happy to if there's a appetite for that. >> i was participating in the meetings on the one on the 23rd. i know the intent and the objectives of the meetings have indeed caused kaiser to think ahead of the process and that's part of the review we did last year and after the fact discussions about renewal rates and what have you.
as we ignored there is room and time not a lot for additional thinking around this so to the degree that members of the plan and i mean all the members of the plan have an opportunity to raise questions to the commissioners directly you should be doing so. i said this last month and i want to reiterate we can't wait until next spring to discover oh, it's all over. so i hope that members will euville them both active and retired to come and speak up at this phase of the process >> any other xhishthsz comments? this the item you i'd like to hear public comment from the members. this is particle a part of the
resolution he we would like to get input from the unions and retiree and all members >> good afternoon larry bradshaw. on behalf of the labor we want to welcome this opportunity for those monthly briefing on h reports. we're hearing a lot of - i'm sacrificing our members have taken a rate decreases and we're being hit with increased health care and co-pays so our members are asking us to look at this and see how we can influence that. thank you so much for the report.
i have a question about the report does h f s require the defects in plans as a paramedic there was one person who was discharged from the emergency room and is going both the hospital but does h s think they have a profit cap or things like full transparence on the rates. i know you've had preliminary conversation and the documents you as a you're going to be evaluating that but what is you're thinking >> director. actually, i think those are both good points but i want to make sure i want to say you've made a
recommendation to us to make sure when we're discussing with kaiser i want to make sure i captured it completely reporting on the defects or - oh, the pa cs. thank you. i think we at the may 9th meeting provided the guidance what we think is reasonable in terms of profit. but if you have further thoughts, please this is the forum >> any other public comment? >> hi i'm a retiree. well, in this report i hoped they would spell out all the
acronyms. i posted an article on the facebook is between the hospitalizations and my wife was in the hospital in the sprirment because kaiser gave her the wrong medicine but she was getting the same care and the only reason was in the payment and they said one is hospitalization and one is observation and the doctors are the ones who enter the billing code. there's an interesting story on m pr that i posted additional it does effect people on medicare
so maybe you, ask kaiser what is it and report on the difference between hospitalization and observation because it makes a difference if a person in home care has to go back to the hospital. she had to go back to the hospital and had to pay 9 thousand because it wasn't codified. can you get a opinion from kaiser on that. thank you >> commissioner frazer. >> so the issue of hospitalization and observation that's a medicare issue so if you ask kaiser to do it you should ask every other medicare plan to do it you may be
convincing the two. >> any other public comment. oh, please come forward >> i'm here on behavior. >> can't hear you. >> is that better? >> thank you. >> hello, i'm here on behalf of the local 21 we're. >> i still can't hear you, you have to speak a little bit closer. >> okay. we're here to say we appreciate the board supporting this particle as - particularly harassing as it relates to kaiser. >> and representing pr b i have
a written statement to read but before that with the statements of richard brought that actually providers are doing to screw with the medicare payments their probable for their own payments and it's a question to be asked of the providers and not medicare. medicare is falling the payment and it's being screwed with so medicare is not picking up the cost. po b times me to read this statement and one thing we'd like you to know when we talk about development costs from kaiser we're hoping those are not increases that are passed on to our members because they've
been developing better facilities but those construction costs shouldn't be passed on. on behalf of the po b thank you for allowing retirees in the negotiations rewarding rates. we appreciate you're willingness to listen to us. po b believes the hospital board and staff works diligently to insure the best possible rates. further we firmly believe it's defense attorneys the jurisdiction of the health board to negotiate on rates and benefits for the members of the system. san francisco taxpayers will save more than 52.6 million over the next year's by pursuant decisions.
while the resolution was well meaning the tack of upholding the benefits hostage was irresponsible that tactic and delay caused do you get and fear among other retirees who rely on kaiser doctors. they're not a political health chip over half 55 thousands of those lives are enrolled in kaiser. we believe that special interests will continue to insert themselves into this process and it undermines the charter and competition betwe betweentions providers we support the rates and the board of supervisors in their desire
for transparency. as you negotiate please beermentd that po b supports the lower costs of care. costs is vital to argue roasts - i'm almost done. we hope you'll harness data to analyze the data and it can be tapped to help the beneficiaries of the health service system. there's a great need for that type of information to help transfer the data not harmful for the negotiations and health passage. we also i will add support adding dr. to this passage.
thank you for indulging me >> i want to say if we account give a time leeway on the speakers. >> hello, i'm sal i didn't i'm speaking on the 10 to one. i wanted to just pickup on something that larry bradshaw said and ask an additional question maybe it's a comment maybe our thinking about quality bajsz of based on performance guarantees report on provider profitable and attach performance guarantees that are related to specific and 34ush8 reductions just a question about
whether that's an anticipated part of our negotiations >> absolutely and even with more vigor now that i hear this is how important but hearing our voices today knowing that's something you want to pursue we'll continue to work towards that. >> any other public comment on this item? any comment from the commissioners? no comment public utilities seeing none, item number 6 >> discussion item and presentation of dashboard. >> data manager for the system.
>> dr. with the a and hewitt. >> today, we're going to bring the cost and the utilization blue shield and it talks about the cost trends for the plan. highlighted in this particular report is the impact of the implementation of the h co and the cost trends. to put it into prospective. and the implementation of flex funded has also given us an opportunity to singeing the
dashboard such as rate setting and risk assessments that we perform. this has been our opportunity to again focus on merging trends as we move forward and are reporting to the board. please note that each of the per thousand metrics are represented as an annual listed member. the content for our report will include the utilization for surgical and maternity services. utilization for the anti patient office visit, lab and urgent care and surgical procedures from pharmacy to utilization and the impact of the high cost provided by blue will shield as matter of our annual litigants
part of our report. so at this point i'm going go to turn to over to my colleague. i want to first drawing our attention to some of the changes in the dashboard assault of combrooin the services. you'll notice in our graft we've highlighted you may need for comparison purposes and it helps when you've made a decision how that's made an impact going forward so it gave us a prospective historically of how positive the actions that the board has taken has been for the members. i'd like to note on the grafts that you can see in the june or
july of 2011 is when the ac o started i mean technically in june but july of 2011 and you'll notice there's on a stabilization, if you will, in 2012 and 2013 as the member. i want to draw our attention to offer this 3 year period you'll notice that the membership has aged by 1.4 years. that means 91 if you assumed that 2010 was the baseline or one that there are 3 or about 3.3 percent higher risk this is based on demographic risks. any questions before i go on? okay. what you will notice based on our finding first of all, your
subsidy has had a impact and the age of the population is increasing and with the age increasing you have a increased scores. moving to page 34. one of the things you should notice in the red circle of 3 carriers that below cross went down and the other 3 went up sorry blue shield went down by 1.5 percent and that's going down with the aim and risk increase. and we do consider this reduction to year after year it maybe the impact of the ac o because this might be the first year >> moving onto the page 5.
>> sorry. >> you have to push. >> sorry. you brought theble blue shield risk and decrease in price their risk went up and - i'm sorry the average age is lower i don't know if the risk score went down >> off the top of my head i don't know if kaisers risk score went down. >> but if age is a metric e metric then the risk score is lower for kaiser and the cost went up. >> that's a correct analogy correct. any other questions? director godfrey >> i want to point out those
are claims not guilty premium price so it's important to distinguish. i think if we had the same kind of prigdz from kaiser, you know, if it was based on claims we might have seen a reduction as well but the claims - just pointing out. moving onto page 57. we want to talk about this 3 year period that the total costs remain stabilize with only a 1.9 percent increase over the past year. one of the things to benchmark this is for the industry period was 8.5 to 10 percent and one would assume that due to the efforts of the ac o the the inpatient costs represent only
25 percent of the claim dollar. first is the 27 percent that was in the prior years. the cost of inpatient is a major impact to your budget is going down >> moving to page 6. so what i want to do and note that you'll notice it says percent for inpatient facility. in the a medical cost not to include pharmacy that was included in the pie chart is not in the medical costs that's why there's a difference in the cost from one payment to the next. one of the things you'll notice is the change relative to inpatient is a 12 percent
decrease and this is the efforts of the ac o plaintiff's and the increase in the capitation are still less than the industry. so again, this is representing very good work on the part of the blue shield and h f. this is for the thousand members first of all, you'll notice that the emits increase was driven by the medical admits so they went up to 21 from a low of about 16. in the second quarter of 2012 and again one of the things be we've seen is this january was one of the busiest months that
the local hospitals has seen in years and this was carried across the nation as well. so i will talk about and you'll see the impact of the acs review there were more admits during this timeframe but you'll notice that didn't resolve in great days they were able to get them in and out. so in looking at the next slide page 8 inpatient per thousand members has decreased and again, it's that bar that runs up and down the chart that went from a high, if you will, if i look at down to the average of 169 it's a significant decrease.
one of the things we find somewhat paradoxal the maternity permits are going up and we think that's now that people are willing to have children again. looking at the average length of stay you'll notice the average electricity of stay for the inpatient invests overall has remained flat, however, you'll also note increases a decrease in the medical average lethal of stay remember arthritis where the admits went up but the medication went down and that is the decrease in inpatient days. 4r50sh9 your inpatient cost per day it increased and this increase was really you driven,
if you will, by the medical costs as you know in the hospital the short the stay the more intense of the services that are used in the days that are there but we want to insure that that is happening. the other thing we wanted to note is we would have expected due to the changing democrat graphics for blue shield you'd have higher costs we didn't see if you remember from page 3. now - any questions before i move on to out patient? looking at outpatient services we see that outpatient procedures have increased 7.7 percent over the past year. one of the reasons is the
increase in colin procedures. and we have other increasing go in the musculoskeletal diseases is our top reason for seeking care and overall one of the things is the urgent care is one-hundred and 56 visits power thousands and the c e os are experiencing higher visits. moving on the cost of outpatient services one of the things a that's nice to see is the the surgical procedure costs reduced. and overall you'll notice that united states outpatient costs
has gone down 9.7 percent and the main driving drivers are the surgical costs and this $313 decreases translates to approximately $1.4 million for the trust fund. we then look at are our services being used. we're looking at the professional procedures per thousand if you want to divide this but 1 thousand but the trends you see about 1.2 office visits per person per year that your overall contact with the system meaning our lab x rays so
you're seeing not way you sauce u saw in the hmo as the doctor awe let you to earlier there's a decrease in folks being seen and there's a decrease in the procedure per thousand we're trying to understand meaning surgical procedures that might not be being done we're report on that in a later meeting >> commissioner frazier. >> can we look for one moment at lab services. >> sure. >> they've had a decline it is quite wisdom. >> if you remember in the outpatient the encounters are
billed quickly, however, when your cap tatted lab and services that are part of the captation there being a recorded as an energy for about a quarter to four months. that's why we're going to be following this to make sure that lag is the cause of the drop not some other reason >> if i'm understanding the charter the drop started january 2012. >> sure. >> we agree in partnership with blue shield that number is lower than we expect to see we don't understand the sever decreases in that so we're undergoing an investigation right now we have not completed that but we intended to bring that back